SUMMARY

Former Texas Governor Rick Perry and W. Bryan Hubbard, ex-chair of Kentucky's Opioid Commission, discuss on Joe Rogan's podcast ibogaine's potential as a plant medicine for treating veterans' PTSD, addictions, and brain injuries, sharing personal journeys and advocacy for clinical trials.

STATEMENTS

Rick Perry met Marcus Luttrell's tour guide in Cozumel in 2006, leading to a deep involvement in supporting veterans' mental health.
Perry hosted Marcus Luttrell in Austin for two and a half years starting in May 2007 after learning about Operation Redwing.
Luttrell was separated from the Navy without Tricare access, forcing reliance on under-resourced VA care for specialized surgeries.
Perry raised funds and intervened with Navy Secretary Ray Mabus to reinstate Luttrell's benefits, highlighting systemic failures in veteran support.
Thousands of veterans with mental health issues lack advocates like Perry, who has spent 17 years exploring solutions.
The Military Heroes Support Foundation, co-founded by Perry in 2007, has donated over 1,000 homes to veterans.
Plant medicine, especially ibogaine, has convinced Perry of its power to reset brains and restore lives over the past five to six years.
Ibogaine lacks recreational appeal and addiction potential; it cures addictions by rewiring the brain.
Hunter S. Thompson introduced ibogaine to public awareness in the 1970s via a fabricated rumor about Edmund Muskie's addiction.
Nixon's 1970s scheduling of drugs like ibogaine served political purposes to target enemies, leading to 50+ years of misguided imprisonments.
Veterans face overwhelming mental struggles, suicides, and addictions with minimal support, opening doors to alternative treatments like psychedelics.
Perry shifted from anti-marijuana views in 2013 after data on THC for epilepsy convinced him to support Texas's medical THC law.
Perry opposes drug legalization but supports medically dosed, supervised plant medicines for specific conditions.
Trump's election brings plant medicine advocates like RFK Jr., Jay Bhattacharya, and Dr. Oz into potential administration roles.
In 2018, Amber and Marcus Capone founded Veterans Exploring Treatment Solutions (VETS) after ibogaine restored Capone post-trauma.
Over 1,000 veterans have received ibogaine at Ambió clinic in Mexico since 2018 for TBI and PTSD.
Stanford's Nolan Williams led a study on 30 veterans showing ibogaine's neuroregenerative effects, published in Nature Medicine on January 5, 2024.
Ibogaine thickened white matter, grew emotional regulation centers, and reversed brain age by up to 5 years in study participants.
Ibogaine treats MS, Lyme, and Parkinson's symptoms offshore, with a Swiss protocol showing miraculous Parkinson's recovery.
A 41-year-old Parkinson's patient, bedridden by 51, regained mobility after low-dose ibogaine, abandoning euthanasia plans.
Perry first heard of ibogaine in late 2017 from Morgan Luttrell while at the Department of Energy.
The Stanford study found 88% of 30 veterans had zero PTSD symptoms six months post-ibogaine, sustained at one year.
Perry's political consultant warned against ibogaine advocacy, but Perry prioritized veterans' lives over reputation.
Marcus and Morgan Luttrell credit ibogaine with saving their lives and marriage.
U.S. government handed out opioids to wounded soldiers post-2000s, addicting a generation and masking deeper traumas.
Special operators endure prolonged combat stress, elevating hormones and hypervigilance, unlike shorter historical wars.
Perry advocates for Texas Ibogaine Initiative for state-funded clinical trials, parallel to federal efforts.
Ibogaine resolved Howard Lotsof's 9-year heroin addiction in 1962, sparking decades of observational data.
Opioid-dependent brains lose dopamine and serotonin production; ibogaine restores it in 36-48 hours.
Current addiction treatments yield only 7% success; ibogaine achieves 80-97% resolution of physiological dependence.
Ibogaine uniquely treats meth dependency, critical amid fentanyl-meth street combinations.
Ibogaine risks cardiac issues like QT prolongation but can be mitigated with magnesium and medical oversight.
Hubbard's Kentucky Opioid Abatement Commission allocated $42 million for ibogaine research before political sabotage.
Texas plans $50 million from surplus for ibogaine trials, matching private developers and ensuring state IP returns.
Ibogaine affirms spiritual divinity, restoring sense of purpose and connection to a loving Creator.

IDEAS

Meeting a Navy SEAL by chance in Cozumel sparked Perry's 17-year veteran advocacy journey, illustrating divine serendipity in personal purpose.
Systemic veteran care failures, like Luttrell's denied benefits, reveal government's broken support for its heroes, demanding innovative interventions.
Donating homes via foundations addresses housing but not mental health; true wholeness requires brain reset through plant medicines.
Ibogaine's non-addictive, anti-addiction profile challenges Schedule I stigma, positioning it as the antithesis of recreational drugs.
Hunter S. Thompson's fabricated Muskie rumor shows how misinformation has historically demonized beneficial compounds like ibogaine.
Nixon's drug scheduling was a political tool against opponents, perpetuating injustice and blocking medical research for decades.
Veterans' compassion universally sways skeptics toward psychedelics, leveraging societal debt to warriors for policy breakthroughs.
Perry's evolution from anti-drug conservative to ibogaine advocate underscores data-driven shifts over ideological rigidity.
International legality of ibogaine in Mexico, Canada, and Europe contrasts U.S. restrictions, frustrating amid 20+ daily veteran suicides.
Incoming Trump administration appointees like RFK Jr. signal a federal pivot toward plant medicine integration.
VETS' grassroots funding for Mexico treatments evolved into Stanford-backed science, bridging personal desperation to rigorous evidence.
Ibogaine's brain-wide regeneration—thickening white matter and reversing age—suggests applications beyond PTSD to degenerative diseases.
A Swiss microdosing protocol revived a severe Parkinson's patient, hinting at ibogaine's untapped low-dose potential for chronic conditions.
Anecdotal recoveries from Ambió clinic inspired philanthropists, proving patient stories catalyze institutional research.
Supercomputer brain scans at Department of Energy first exposed Perry to ibogaine, merging tech oversight with healing innovation.
88% PTSD remission rate post-ibogaine dwarfs conventional therapies, demanding scaled clinical trials nationwide.
Political warnings against advocacy highlight reputation risks, yet prioritizing lives over legacy drives true leadership.
Opioid epidemic's roots in post-9/11 military pain management reveal government as inadvertent addiction architect.
Prolonged modern warfare uniquely traumatizes special operators, creating unprecedented brain injuries needing novel cures.
Historical wars' brevity contrasts today's endless conflicts, amplifying cumulative trauma's invisible toll.
Ibogaine's dopamine/serotonin restoration in 48 hours revolutionizes addiction timelines from 18-month abstinence.
Moral failure narratives ignore neurochemical brain injury from opioids, reframing addiction as treatable physiological damage.
Meth's dominance in street drugs amplifies ibogaine's urgency as the sole effective counter to this lethal mix.
Cardiac risks underscore professional administration needs, ensuring safety elevates ibogaine's credibility.
Hubbard's coal-mining family chaos bred resilience, mirroring broader Appalachian opioid vulnerabilities born of generational despair.

INSIGHTS

Chance encounters can ignite lifelong missions, as Perry's Cozumel meeting transformed personal curiosity into veteran advocacy.
Institutional failures in veteran care stem from bureaucratic inertia, not lack of heroism, necessitating external innovations like ibogaine.
Plant medicines bridge physical and spiritual healing, restoring not just brains but existential purpose amid societal neglect.
Political drug scheduling perpetuates harm by conflating therapeutic compounds with recreational abuse, blocking life-saving research.
Compassion for veterans universally erodes psychedelic stigma, leveraging moral imperatives to advance unconventional treatments.
Data trumps ideology; Perry's shift from anti-marijuana to pro-ibogaine exemplifies evidence-based policy evolution.
International precedents for ibogaine expose U.S. policy as outdated, fueling frustration over preventable veteran suffering.
Grassroots desperation, like the Capones', seeds scientific validation, showing patient-led movements drive medical progress.
Ibogaine's neuroregeneration implies broader paradigm shifts in psychiatry, from symptom management to structural repair.
Low-dose protocols expand ibogaine's reach beyond acute addiction to chronic neurodegeneration, promising preventive applications.
Modern warfare's duration creates novel traumas, demanding tailored interventions beyond historical warfare models.
Addiction reframed as brain injury, not moral failing, humanizes victims and justifies rapid physiological resets like ibogaine.
Ensuring state equity in drug development patents prevents corporate exploitation, aligning public funds with public good.
Spiritual affirmation from ibogaine fosters autonomy, countering compulsion-driven lives with purpose-oriented recovery.
Political sabotage of initiatives, as in Kentucky, underscores advocacy's risks but also its potential for multi-state momentum.

QUOTES

"I've become a complete believer in plant medicine uh over the course of the last five or six years in particular and uh the compound Iain i b o g a i n e that most people never heard of before."
"This is medically diagnosed medically dosed having the proper medical people there uh the treatment uh the followup all of that."
"Ibogaine is neither of those clearly evidence if there's as a matter of fact if there was a definition of a compound that was not schedule one ibigan would be uh the top of the list most likely."
"People are so most people are so compassionate about the needs of veterans the demands that they face and the trials that they face when they return the the mental struggles the amount of suicides the amount of addictions it's overwhelming."
"The results of that study are nothing short of miraculous when it comes to the way in which abigan has been revealed to have significant neuro regenerative properties."
"The average reversal of brain age among this cohort of 30 veterans was one and a half years with the top five among that cohort seeing a reversal of brain age of almost 5 years."
"I have become convinced that any system which maintains iain's criminality is in fact criminal and needs to be tore apart Brick by briak."
"88% Joe 88% of those individuals six months later had zero not a little bit better they had zero symptoms of PTSD."
"My reputation is not worth more than their lives and that's what drives me is that what I've seen I believe and I'm I'm willing to put my reputation on the line."
"We literally addicted a generation of our war fighters who got wounded both physically and mentally and the government was giving them all of these opioids."
"Ibogain has the unique ability to restore the brain's dopamine and serotonin production to its pre opioid exposure levels within 36 to 48 Hours."
"It is the only known substance to successfully treat meth dependency and we when we consider that the current Street economy the prevailing combination is fentel and meth there is no more compelling circumstance."
"Do not under any circumstances try to order iag online for self- administration Do Not Free venture out into the world looking for any old Clinic."
"These ladies had worked lifetimes looking at a dead end and at the time that they had their work accident it was the straw that broke the camels back for any hope they had of a future defined by dignity and autonomy."
"Kentucky was like a drought stricken forest and oxycoton was the lightning bolt that set it on fire in 1996."
"Ibogain delivers it I can attest to the fact that it delivers it my wife and I traveled to Tijana a year ago she had been on Celexa for 21 years."
"We are not the result of a random accident of astrophysics and chemistry we are the images of an eternal Creator who put us here for a purpose."
"There is no greater gift we can give to our brothers and sisters in this Society than to affirm the love of their creator for them."

HABITS

Perry vacations reluctantly but embraces spontaneous learning opportunities, like touring the Special Warfare Center.
Luttrell lived with Perry's family for over two years, integrating into daily life while recovering.
Perry researches extensively before advocacy, reading data and visiting clinics multiple times.
Perry talks openly about ibogaine in everyday conversations, educating strangers at social events.
Hubbard reflects on family histories during depositions, gaining empathy for clients' emotional pain.
Hubbard assembles expert teams for policy analysis, evaluating metrics systematically.
Hubbard mentors young professionals, taking on large caseloads after a colleague's death.
Hubbard briefs superiors confidentially on sensitive topics, maintaining discretion in conservative environments.
Hubbard attends public hearings and dinners to network with researchers and philanthropists.
Perry volunteers at burn centers, checking on wounded soldiers regularly since 2005.
Morgan Luttrell paused his PhD to work on brain science projects at the Department of Energy.
Hubbard's grandfathers provided spiritual affirmations during childhood visits, instilling faith habits.
Perry intervenes personally with officials, like calling the Navy Secretary for Luttrell's benefits.
Hubbard drives long distances for depositions, using travel time for personal epiphanies.
Perry hosts veterans for dinners and tours, fostering long-term relationships.
Hubbard overcomes early family chaos through faith and education, pursuing law despite math struggles.
Perry advocates persistently, ignoring political warnings to prioritize evidence-based actions.
Hubbard titrates supplements carefully for his wife's SSRI withdrawal before ibogaine treatment.

FACTS

Operation Redwing in 2005 involved Marcus Luttrell, who received the Navy Cross at the White House.
George Strait donates a home to veterans at every concert via Perry's foundation.
Texas passed medical THC for epilepsy in 2015 after Perry's support, based on 2013 data.
Over 20 U.S. veterans die by suicide daily, amid limited mental health resources.
Ibogaine is legal for medical use in Mexico, Canada, Australia, and France.
Stanford study involved 30 veterans with moderate-to-severe PTSD and some TBI.
8 of 30 study veterans had attempted suicide before ibogaine treatment.
Ibogaine study results ranked #2 in neurotechnology by Brain & Behavior Research Foundation for 2024.
Howard Lotsof quit heroin after one ibogaine dose in 1962, ending 9 years of addiction.
Opioids produce 925 nanograms per deciliter dopamine response; natural max is 125.
Abstinence-only addiction recovery takes 18 months for brain chemical restoration.
Kentucky's SSDI enrollment grew 249% from 1980-2015, while population grew 20%.
Childhood SSDI in Kentucky surged 4149% over 35 years, linked to poverty.
Opioid prescriptions to Kentucky SSDI adults rose 210% from 2001-2015.
40 of 120 Kentucky county attorneys charged child support programs rent from public funds.
Purdue Pharma earned $100 million monthly from OxyContin at peak.
Kentucky received $842 million in opioid settlements over 15 years.
Ibogaine cardiac risk involves QT prolongation, mitigable by magnesium co-administration.
80% of opioid dependents resolve dependence after one ibogaine dose; 97% after two.
U.S. has been at war for 20 continuous years, unprecedented in modern history.

REFERENCES

Operation Redwing (military mission involving Marcus Luttrell).
Marcus Luttrell's book (Lone Survivor, NYT bestseller in 2007).
Military Heroes Support Foundation (buys and donates homes to veterans).
Newsweek op-ed by Rick Perry (October 2023, endorsing Kentucky Ibogaine Initiative).
Texas Compassionate Use Act (2015 medical THC law for epilepsy).
Veterans Exploring Treatment Solutions (VETS, founded 2018 by Amber and Marcus Capone).
Ambió Clinic (Tijuana, Mexico, ibogaine treatments for veterans).
Stanford University study led by Dr. Nolan Williams (published in Nature Medicine, Jan 5, 2024).
University of Zurich protocol (low-dose ibogaine for Parkinson's).
Beyond Clinic (Cancun, Mexico, ibogaine with magnesium protocol).
Intervision Ibogaine (website by Juliana Mulligan listing providers).
Howard Lotsof's 1962 experience (pioneering ibogaine for opioid addiction).
Gonzo Journalism (Hunter S. Thompson's style, including Muskie rumor).
Kentucky Opioid Abatement Advisory Commission ($842M settlements).
Silencyon mushroom (psilocybin research for anxiety/depression).
Juliana Christina's writings (on psilocybin for eating disorders).
Plant Medicine Law Firm (Adriana Curzer, New York).
Jetson Foundation (philanthropy for ibogaine research).
Steven & Alexander Cohen Foundation (ibogaine commitments).
Melissa Etheridge Foundation (plant medicine support).
REID Foundation's American Ibogaine Initiative (led by W. Bryan Hubbard).
Texas Ibogaine Initiative (upcoming legislation for clinical trials).
Revelry Advisors (ibogaine project resources).
Ross Perot Jr.'s veteran support efforts (hundreds aided).
Grandpa's book on Civil War (Perry's grandfather's writings).
Celex stem cell company (Dr. Stan Jones, medical help for Luttrell).

HOW TO APPLY

Educate yourself on ibogaine basics through reputable sources like Intervision Ibogaine before considering treatment.
Consult interventional cardiologists to assess personal cardiac risks prior to any ibogaine administration.
Select clinics like Ambió or Beyond that co-administer magnesium to mitigate QT prolongation.
Ensure treatment occurs in a supportive therapeutic environment with psychological integration services.
For veterans, connect with VETS for peer-recommended Mexico-based options while awaiting U.S. trials.
Advocate locally by contacting Texas state representatives and senators to support the Ibogaine Initiative.
Participate in public hearings on ibogaine to provide testimonials and build community awareness.
Partner with philanthropists for funding, matching state investments in clinical trials.
Solicit drug developer proposals specifying trial design, participant recruitment, and risk mitigation.
Secure FDA approval for trials by demonstrating cardiac safety through controlled protocols.
Retain state perpetual interest in patents from public-funded ibogaine developments.
Integrate post-treatment follow-up with therapy to sustain physiological and spiritual gains.
For addiction, prepare with 36-48 hour expectation of dopamine/serotonin restoration.
Use low-dose titration for chronic conditions like Parkinson's under medical supervision.
Build networks with researchers like Dr. Nolan Williams for data-driven advocacy.
Host confidential dinners with experts to explore psychedelics discreetly in conservative settings.
Titrate off SSRIs like Celexa five days prior with supplements for stability.
Combine ibogaine with 5-MeO DMT for enhanced spiritual affirmation in guided settings.

ONE-SENTENCE TAKEAWAY

Ibogaine offers transformative brain regeneration for veterans' traumas and addictions, urging swift policy shifts for clinical access.

RECOMMENDATIONS

Prioritize veterans in ibogaine trials to leverage public compassion and accelerate federal rescheduling.
Mandate magnesium co-administration in all ibogaine protocols to fully eliminate cardiac risks.
Establish state IP royalties from ibogaine patents to fund long-term recovery infrastructure.
Educate media through former journalists like Claire Stapleton for unbiased public awareness.
Collaborate with VA and universities for multi-site trials, ensuring diverse participant recruitment.
Brief incoming officials like RFK Jr. on Stanford data to integrate plant medicines federally.
Host veteran testimonials at legislative sessions to humanize the urgency of ibogaine access.
Develop low-dose protocols for neurodegenerative diseases, starting with Parkinson's pilots.
Avoid self-administration; always seek credentialed clinics with ICU-trained staff.
Pair ibogaine with integration therapy to reinforce spiritual insights into daily life.
Reform SSDI metrics to track ibogaine outcomes, reducing enrollment through effective treatments.
Support multi-state initiatives in Ohio, Arizona, and others to create national momentum.
Require developers to match state funds, assuming all pre-FDA risks.
Use Texas Medical Center's expertise for world-class trial facilities and global replication.
Affirm spiritual purpose post-treatment to foster autonomy over compulsion in recovery.
Target meth-fentanyl combos with ibogaine, given its unique efficacy against meth dependence.
Conduct retrospective studies like Kentucky's to link opioids to broader neurochemical injuries.
Involve bipartisan congressional supporters to frame ibogaine as non-partisan human issue.
Prepare for scale by training psychiatrists in ibogaine's neuroregenerative mechanisms.
Pray and hope for policy success, hastening liberty for the afflicted through divine-inspired medicine.

MEMO

In a candid episode of The Joe Rogan Experience, former Texas Governor Rick Perry and W. Bryan Hubbard, former chair of Kentucky's Opioid Abatement Advisory Commission, unravel the promise of ibogaine, a psychoactive plant compound long stifled by outdated U.S. drug policies. Perry's journey began serendipitously in 2006 on Cozumel, where a chance encounter with a Navy SEAL tour guide introduced him to Marcus Luttrell, the Lone Survivor of Operation Redwing. Hosting Luttrell for years exposed Perry to the Veterans Administration's inadequacies—denied benefits, botched surgeries—and ignited a 17-year quest for better mental health solutions. From raising funds for stem cell treatments to co-founding the Military Heroes Support Foundation, which has gifted over 1,000 homes, Perry evolved from a staunch anti-drug conservative to an ibogaine evangelist, convinced by data that this non-addictive root bark extract could reset traumatized brains.

Hubbard's narrative echoes generational Appalachian despair, rooted in coal-mining poverty and untreated mental illness that ravaged his family. As a workers' compensation lawyer during the opioid explosion, he deposed countless women whose "physical" pains masked spiritual brokenness after lifelong dead-end labor. Thrust into Kentucky's Social Security Disability oversight in 2017, Hubbard uncovered explosive growth—249% enrollment surge from 1980 to 2015—fueled by overprescribed opioids and psychotropics. By 2022, as opioid commission chair, he championed a $42 million ibogaine initiative, drawing on pioneers like Howard Lotsof, who quit heroin in 1962 after one dose, and modern research showing ibogaine restores dopamine and serotonin in 48 hours, far outpacing 18-month abstinence recovery.

The duo spotlights Stanford's 2024 Nature Medicine study: 30 veterans with severe PTSD and traumatic brain injuries underwent ibogaine treatment in Mexico, yielding 88% symptom remission at six months and sustained results at one year. MRI scans revealed thickened white matter—the brain's neural highways—expanded emotional regulation centers, and an average 1.5-year brain age reversal, up to five years in top cases. Beyond PTSD, ibogaine shows offshore promise for multiple sclerosis, Lyme disease, and Parkinson's; a Swiss protocol microdosed a bedridden 51-year-old back to biking, averting euthanasia. Yet, Schedule I status, a Nixon-era political ploy to target anti-war factions, blocks U.S. trials despite international legality in Mexico and Canada, where over 1,000 veterans have healed at clinics like Ambió.

Political sabotage derailed Kentucky's bid—ambushed by a new attorney general despite FDA testimony affirming cardiac risks' mitigatability via magnesium—but Texas beckons as the new frontier. Perry and Hubbard eye a $50 million state surplus allocation for the Texas Ibogaine Initiative, soliciting drug developers to match funds, design trials, and share patents. With bipartisan legislative precedent from Texas's 2015 psilocybin trials and incoming Trump appointees like Robert F. Kennedy Jr. open to plant medicines, the path clears. They warn against underground risks—ibogaine's QT prolongation can fatalize without oversight—but hail its spiritual profundity: affirming divine purpose amid addiction's compulsion, as Hubbard and his wife experienced, freeing her from 21 years of Celexa.

This push transcends partisanship, reframing addiction as neurochemical injury, not moral failure, and war trauma as modern warfare's unprecedented toll—20 years of hypervigilance shredding psyches like no prior conflict. As Perry declares, "My reputation is not worth more than their lives," the initiative promises a Manhattan Project for mental health, potentially saving millions from opioids, meth-fentanyl streets, and veteran suicides. With multi-state allies in Ohio and Arizona mobilizing, ibogaine could herald psychiatry's revolution, binding the brokenhearted and proclaiming liberty to captives in an era of dehumanizing bureaucracy.